Profanity And Science Fiction
Have you noticed that as of late, some SF novels and stories now include profanity? I have. I started reading and watching SF as a child in the 60's. It is true that some SF shows like StarTrek had its moments under the sun due to the times, but still a child could see it on prime time TV. I am sure most of us were interested in science as a kid. We built volcanoes, gadgets, etc. Where did we get our ideas?
Science fiction. Good, clean, enjoyable science fiction. You knew Flash Gordon had a thing for Dale, without a scene of him banging her under the sheets. The romance was there just by the way they looked and talked to each other. For a kid--well that's yucky anyway--- of course puberty sets in, and ...ahem... opinions change. However, many stories were still clean.
So far I have read Singularity and I am also listening to Leviathan, and both have profanity. Singularity has a racey sex theme, which really has nothing to do with the story. In my personal opinion, it kills the genre. Take a look at 'Transformers: Rise of the Fallen'.
Homo-sex among dogs? A deceptacon humping Megan Fox's leg? What has that to do with SF? To avoid the R rating, the dialogue goes with f'ing this or f'ing that. Even the 'Dune' Latest triology "imprinting" to restore a Ghoula memories in most cases, or for an Honored Matre to control a male, some wild ferocious and perverted sex act as to be descripted. What does this have to do with SF?
Nothing, absolutle @#&^!!! Nothing!
I beg all ye' writers out there. Please, Please Keep SF, F'ing
clean.... Alright? Make it enjoyable so children can get interested in science fiction again.
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I Write Science Fiction, And I Can Do This Without Offensives
I agree with you 100%. As a mother, I am fed up with all the profanity and sex in children's books. My complaints just didn't register with the public schools my children attended, either.
Around our house when I was growing up, "intelligent people can think of plenty of words to express themselves without cursing". I heard this a lot. And, I agreed with it. We authors need to take some social responsibility and take care with what we print. Young minds might be exposed to us. Think of the social change we might bring, if most American writers started putting less profanity, explicit sex, gore, and just plain immoral behavior into our books! I am taking a stand. So far, the three small-town libraries that saw my book today were VERY enthusiastic about a book that had higher standards. If you agree with me, go to Facebook, create an account, and join my group, Writers For Social Responsibility!
Thanks for a very thought-provoking blog.
Dannis
Author of Home Is Not Home
http://dannistories.com
Profanity in SF
Profanity in any genre of literature is poor form. It's like the hero stumbling on a decaying corpse and the person describing each festering wound in detail, right down to the pulsating maggots. It's pure indulgence for the sake of indulgence. Any respectable writer knows this. That's why you never see profanities in literature. The only one that I can think of is a single use of the word "damn" in Gone With the Wind, and I've heard that was a pretty huge deal back in the day. I agree with you that profanity is juvenile and has no place in SF.
Sex, on the other hand, can be done tastefully. When it's just the hunky hero and his buxom partner rutting like monkeys for the sake of making a few loins tingle, its just being crass. However, science fiction has a history of sex, even from its most respected authors. The "big three", Asimov, Heinlein, and Herbert, all had sex scenes somewhere in their literature. Asimov had a scene in "Foundation and Earth" where the hot Gaian had a sexual relationship with the old, wise, but quirky professor (Asimov, you dirty old man! I know what you were thinking!). Heinlein... well I'm tempted to not go there... but let's just say he wrote about his time traveling hero going back in time and having sex with his mother while she was pregnant with him... and it only gets weirder from there (yeah... he got a little spacey towards the end). Herbert had an entire military organization of women (the Fish-Speakers) who would orgasm during their religious ceremonies with the God-Emperor (they were certifiably hardcore though, so it's all good). Point being, SF is a genre of literature and like all genres, sex can be made into a beautiful display of intimacy instead of border-line pornography.
It's not just SF that's gotten racier, but entertainment in general (ever seen an episode of Nip/Tuck? And let's not even get started on HBO's "Rome"). There is a point where you have to protect the children, but there are also adults who enjoy SF (a generation ago, this would have been practically unthinkable) and sex, being a part of (most) adult's lives, can and should be talked about. I think it has less to do with SF losing its innocence and more with SF maturing into a genre that has shows for children and shows for adults. Case in point: There are plenty of Westerns that are suitable for children, but you wouldn't want your children reading Cormac MacArthur's ultra-violent, grisly, tragic westerns.
We're adults living in post-sexual revolution America. We should accept it as our nature, and realize that it has a place in our literature for the same reason that a fictional character would eat, sleep, or use the commode. Of course, as long as the golden rule of story writing is being obeyed: "Be true to the plot, be true to the characters". Sex for the sake of sex is just crude, but when it advances the plot, or advances the characters, and is not written like an IKEA manual or shot like a porno, it has its place.
Someone pointed out that
Someone pointed out that technically profanity is when you cuss with religious language. And you used to get some of that in science fiction or fantasy, but it wasn't a real religion.
Also, the Flash Gordon comic strip was running for ages and you mainly looked at it for the girls. Today you could go out to dinner in dresses like those, but at the time they were very hot stuff. And Flash's antique movie serial introduced the female navel to a grateful public, just as Star Trek brought us mixed kissing - under telekinetic duress in the case I'm thinking of. (Today we know that Gene Roddenberry had gone before, or maybe I have the stardates or the actual facts wrong. Whoops!)
To actual kids, sex stuff in stories is boring, maybe frightening, if they try to imitate it hugely embarrassing. If that's your audience then you don't have that. And cussing? Fake cusswords in SF are usually fun. Recent scientific research has established that cussing is a natural analgesic. Well, it comes naturally to me. I kind of wish it didn't.
For an adult audience, on the other hand, well, we don't need that stuff, sex or bad language. Apparently enough of us do enjoy it being there so that many books and movies, certainly not only SF, do include it.
But there are a lot of other things that I appreciate and want to see in SF that are not kiddie-friendly. Advanced actual science. Politics. Moral uncertainty. And keeping kid characters away from dangerous situations. Whereas I can get enormous quantities of sexual content and verbal profanity on the free Internet. Granted, a romantic love story without physical love is not how the real modern world works, and I don't expect that to be different in the future, except with science fiction type characters that are not human and do things differently. I also expect virtual sex and robot sex, but if it isn't as dirty as the regular kind then I expect we'll just carry on with that, unless our parents or the government stop us with technology. And tie our hands behind our backs.
Reply to Someone pointed out and my story Tomorrow's World #1
Hello Everyone,
I wanted to make a comment or two or ten here about this subject in SF. I understand that some would like SF to remaine forever just a little kids thing for saturday afternoons. That's fine too. I wanted to make note however that I agree about Blood and Gore and Violence, but Sex? There is a tremendous need for SF to get real in this area.
I've tried to do that in my Wonderful New book that is Self written, Self Published and Self Promoted by me. I aint got ton's of money. It is extremely diffcult to get a product out to the world without a Ton of Money. So I'm doing the best I can & I use the sex angle, but not just for sales.I don't want to be Dead and Gone when my story finally takes off and a movie producer makes millions off my work. I don't want to get off on the money thing to much though.
I want to mention that in most all SF today, Blood, Gore, Violence are all supported by Sex. That's not the way SF should be.
Probably the best way to explain it is to say that in my first book Tomorrow's World #1, I kind of layout my ideas with the story. In my story the "F" word is Never used in conection with Hate or Violence. This is totally different with almost all other SF today.
I use sex in the story because the Beautiful Genetically Engineered people in the story have no knowledge about Religion and it's promotion of Sex as a Dirty thing. Or the promotion of Hate and Violence By Religion for Thousands of Years as well.
These people have but few goals, to Love and Learn and promote Human kind. They have no knowledge of, or need for, Religious leaders who take Money in exchange for somekind of promosed Salvation. They don't even use money in the beautiful society that the story is about.
Hey, in my story, Sex is a Beautiful thing and I use it as such! Not ugly as religion would have you believe. Sex is the happy Human thing to do. It cements the society together.
Only people who say Sex is Evil and Dirty, are those who Promise Salvation for your Money.
You might also want to know that in my story. The "New Offspring" are raised to understand that Sex is Wonderful and Beautiful from the day they are designed to the day they are graduated into Human society.
Hey what can I say, according to the SCAM standard of today, my story is Only for those 18+. You gotta growup and get passed the Religion thing before you are old enough to read it.
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Profanity and sex in SF
I agree that unnecessary profanity and explicit sex spoils any fiction. On the other hand, in modern times I don't think it is possible to shield children from either. By the time most children (in the US anyway, I don't know about Canada) are seven or eight, they have heard the "dirty" words either from their parents, contemporaries or movies. Why bother, they are only words after all. When parents hear their children using them, they should simply explain that there are appropriate and inappropriate times to use them. As far as sex goes, it's a part of life and a joyful experience. Again they are going to learn from about sex from someone. Why make it of it this mysterious to be hidden dirty thing? In fiction, if handled properly, it can show it for the beautiful wonderful thing it is.
Why bother...
I'll tell why we ought to bother.
"Profanity" is more than just "religious desecration"; it's a failure to recognize a distinction between common things and thing that should be held in respect. Accidents happen with guns when people fail to respect the science of gunpower, Boyle's gas laws, and a small projectile at high speed.
Profanity doesn't "get into your heart and rot your soul" as George Carlin humorously jibed. It comes out of the heart of the person speaking. You cannot speak with contempt dripping from your lips unless your heart is full to overflowing with contempt. You cannot lift someone out of a dungheap if you continue to pile dung on him.
Sex and profanity in fiction
From the fiction writer / reader point of view a critical issue is about credibiity. To show a violent argument between hot-headed people with only mild language used is likely halt the feeling of authenticity and engagement. On the other overdoing such usage demeans the shock value. It's rather like using sex scenes and exclamations - use sparingly to make the occassion more shocking.
Geoff Nelder
Escape Velocity magazine